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Daichi Yamato
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Posted - 2015.12.24 14:38:38 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Valacus wrote:1 proteus isn't a problem for 1 battleship Please name one battleship that can beat a Proteus 1v1 without going significantly higher in price. (I'm not even sure it can be done if price isn't an object.) If Price isn't an object, A Vindicator, Barghest, Golem and mach come to mind. But those are very expensive fitting. But going from, how to say? A Price to performance ratio, the Proteus wins every time. A 500mil Proteus will always beat a 500mil Battleship. Not just in 1v1 but also in terms of pure performance, a Proteus will do a Megathrons job far better then what a mega can. At similar price. A mega would crush a proteus in a 1v1 quite easily for half the cost, even more so if it has dual web and scram. You'd need to catch the proteus in the first place though. That is why I suggested earlier we get some battleship tackle modules such as an AOE scram or longer range webs.
Even with no one moving and at point blank range the proteus out brawls a mega.
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Daichi Yamato
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Posted - 2015.12.24 16:58:43 -
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I wasnt arguing that a purpose fit BS can kill a T3 with a generalised fit. I was telling moac tor that hes never put a typical mega against a typical proteus. Cause if he did he'd realise that a mega does not stomp a proteus in a brawl, let alone all the other things the T3 has going for it.
As for your reply, i seem to have a broader knowledge of BS's and the T3's than yourself since the 'reasonably fit mega' comes with no neuts. The only reason it would is if you were expecting to need neuts so badly you'd drop a turret hard point. Like wise, the proteus probably wouldnt even have the mid slots to fit a cap booster. Typical brawl fits have three mids.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
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Daichi Yamato
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Posted - 2015.12.25 00:56:34 -
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Moac Tor wrote:
You need to try using a battleship in solo PvP before parroting what you've been told. You don't even need a neut, if the proteus is double webbed and going no where then the mega will be hitting it with 1500+ dps. The trick with battleships is you overwhelm with DPS, and the mega is particularly good at doing that. The Proteus will melt whether active or buffer tanked.
If the Proteus is AB fit and gets under the megathron guns then it has a chance, although most are MWD scram web fit, and so the dual webs should be enough for it to hit at pretty much full damage.
The point is if you know what you are doing with a battleship it can be devastating, most people don't know what they are doing though.
Its actually better for the mega to pull range in this instance. But if you thought the mega would crush a proteus in a straight dps race you'd be surprised. Give the proteus T2 rigs and it'd outlast the mega.
Rock paper scissor discussions about this ship vs that fit aside, t3s have a better time in fights that should be ideal for battleships but enjoy extra flexibility and damage mitigation to boot. 'geddon all the things' and 1v1s dont take away from how much T3's do infringe on the role of battleships too much and the 'cost balance' has been ineffective at preventing these ships from becoming common doctrines.
Certain subsystems could be toned down to make them less suitable in slugfests but keep (or even improve) their flexibility. They'd still have plenty going for them and they wouldnt all of a sudden disappear if they lost some dps and ehp.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
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